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      • 1: CommentAuthormoulder
      • CommentTime6 Aug 2024 13:08
       
      A więc włożyłem 74LS08 i w space harrier w.formacie rom kaszanka na ekranie od samego początku. Mam też 2.wersje w.fomacie car i tam menu główne gry wyswietla się już poprawnie, potem kaszanka.
      • 2: CommentAuthortebe
      • CommentTime6 Aug 2024 16:08
       
      z ziemniaczkami będzie pyszny obiadek ;)
      • 3:
         
        CommentAuthorsun
      • CommentTime6 Aug 2024 16:08
       
      nie zapominaj o musztardzie
      • 4:
         
        CommentAuthorAlex
      • CommentTime6 Aug 2024 17:08
       
      Jak 74LS08 to się nie dziwię...
      • 5: CommentAuthorSplawik
      • CommentTime6 Aug 2024 17:08
       
      @moulder mi Space Harrier odpala się z pliku car. Działa doskonale :) Side 3.0, firmware 0.69 w tandemie z Ultimate 1mb.
      • 6: CommentAuthormoulder
      • CommentTime6 Aug 2024 19:08
       
      To co wg Was powinienem zrobić, żeby Space Harrier ruszyl przy moim configu?
      • 7: CommentAuthorSplawik
      • CommentTime6 Aug 2024 19:08
       
      A sprawdź ten plik z załącznika - to dokładnie taki, jaki działa u mnie.
      • 8:
         
        CommentAuthorPeri Noid
      • CommentTime6 Aug 2024 20:08
       
      @Alex Właśnie mi taki "downgrade" pomógł w jednym kompie. Tak, zwykle się zakłada F-kę. Ale nie zawsze należy.
      • 9: CommentAuthormoulder
      • CommentTime6 Aug 2024 22:08
       
      @splawik niestety Twoj plik tez sie u mnie krzaczy.
      • 10: CommentAuthorSplawik
      • CommentTime7 Aug 2024 09:08
       
      Hmm, no to nie wiem jak pomóc. Ja mam fw 0.69 w SIDE3, ale z tego co pamiętam to Space Harrier działał mi od samego początku też na wcześniejszych wersjach fw.
      • 11:
         
        CommentAuthorJacques
      • CommentTime1 Nov 2024 12:11
       
      @moulder
      Trochę czasu minęło, ale jest szansa na rozwiązanie problemów z Twoim SIDE 3.0.
      Jaką wersję jed SIDE3 pokazuje loader z SIDE?
    1.  
      JED 1.0 for SIDE 3.0 now available here:

      ->link<-

      For those who like to live dangerously, it's possible this might alleviate timing issues otherwise apparent with JED 1.1/1.3. Note the loader will report a spurious JED version number with this firmware, owing in part to a JED version workaround for Altirra. I'll come up with a fix for that presently. Re-running the XEX JED updater a second time, however (and then bailing out) will show that the JED was downgraded to version 1.0.

      Don't try this unless you have to, and don't apply JED 1.0 to a SIDE 3.1 (black PCB), since JED 1.0 has no awareness of the extra SRAM and other features introduced in SIDE 3.1.
      • 13: CommentAuthormoulder
      • CommentTime13 Jun 2025 20:06
       
      Trochę późno odpisuję, ale lepiej późno niż wcale. Wgranie jed 1.0 naprawiło wszystkie problemy z odpalaniem Space Harrier oraz z kilkoma innymi grami.
      • 14: CommentAuthoras...
      • CommentTime14 Jun 2025 00:06 zmieniony
       
      Sid-e ?

      Przecież avg/sub to zjada i przerabia na mielone :)

      na avg/sub (+kabel sio).

      Wgrywa tam się wszystko, włącznie z space Harrier (z dekadę temu dla tej gry kupiłem max cart czy jak to się tam zwało tu zresztą była zbiórka).

      Avg/sub z demami grami uwięzionymi do sio (kabel sio do avg/sub wymagany). Wgra wszytko.


      Pisze to jako posiadacz kilku wersji side i "innych" jak ide+ avg itd..


      Side obecnie jest bez sensu.
      • 15: CommentAuthoras...
      • CommentTime14 Jun 2025 00:06
       
      Zresztą jedną stronę w lewo o tym pisałem ;)
      • 16:
         
        CommentAuthorJacques
      • CommentTime14 Jun 2025 10:06
       
      @moulder
      Dobrze, że u Ciebie też pomogło :-)
      Ja miałem problemy po aktualizacji jed, a po powrocie do starej wersji już znów było OK.

      @as
      Nie przesadzałbym z tym zachłyśnięciem się AVG/SUB. Sam mam SubCarta, ale to jednak inny produkt, bo z założenia miał być takim kombajnem. SIDE3 spaliło się przez 3.1 i niestabilność,ale firmware FJC tandemu U1MB i SIDE rządzi, w SUB to jest jednak dość toporne, choć funkcji multum (i skrótów do zapamiętania).
      Ja tam SIDE3 bardzo lubię, jest naprawdę pro do używania.
      • 17: CommentAuthoras...
      • CommentTime14 Jun 2025 12:06
       
      @Jacques,
      Jak pisałem mam sid-y, ale ich nie lubię :)
      Wolę avg i ide+ . Jest to lepsze rozwiązanie dla mnie.

      Side jak widzę u Lotharka już temat się zakończył.
      Widziałem prototyp side, ale avg z u1mb itd. (U Candle)
    2.  
      Presenting a good-faith review of the AVG and SUB Carts does nothing to promote nuance in some quarters, I see. :) Great products and very cost-effective, particurly for those who prefer not to modify the host machine. However, neither of them interact with U1MB (for those who would like this) in any way unless switched into SIDE emulation mode, and interestingly enough the single most common complaint I hear about AVG/SUB is that the firmware isn't more like that of SIDE3. :)

      However, if it has to be a contest, it's clear AVG/SUB 'won', for better or worse. Naturally I still use U1MB/SIDE3 and they do everything I need (don't have a SUB Cart since I had to return it after reviewing it), but it became clear to me some years ago that the esoteric and decorative features fo the SIDE3 loader are important to less than ten per cent of users.

      One of the chief advantages of AVG/SUB is that the hardware is designed by the same person who developed the software, thereby eliminating a lot of communication issues where important stuff gets 'phoned in' by one party or another. Tmp does a fantastic job, anyway.
      • 19: CommentAuthoras...
      • CommentTime14 Jun 2025 16:06
       
      @flashzazzcat
      You were wrong my dear friend, for example, try to load from side this:
      ->link<- or this ->link<- ; ->link<-

      ;)
      -there is much more, games too..
    3.  
      The given examples are programs that are "SIO only". These will not work with PBI/ECI and since the SIDE3 does not have a SIO-cable they will not work with it.

      Thats why I have created two folders on my SUB cart SD-card, one is named SIO (for programs that only work with SIO) and the other is named PBI (for programs that take so long to load, that it is better to load them with PBI). A folder named CAS does however not exist on my SUB cart, since I am much too impatient to load programs with tape speed.
      • 21: CommentAuthoras...
      • CommentTime14 Jun 2025 23:06
       
      Please attach this folder only sio.
    4.  
      Not many A8 programs in that SIO-only folder yet, at the moment only some demos and no games. Will have to enhance it with more programs asap (some Lucasfilm programs, A.R. City and Dungeon, Seven Cities of Gold, etc.)...
      • 23: CommentAuthoras...
      • CommentTime15 Jun 2025 21:06 zmieniony
       
      Many thx.
      -please add for your list
      ->link<-

      is more, this :) like games :)

      I'Il make update your list :)
    5.  
      I can confirm that Bitter Reality only works with SIO.

      Regarding Loaded Brain, there exist several versions, think the original version came on two disksides. But I do own the single-sided version since several years now and therefore removed the double-sided version from my collection. This single-sided version can be loaded with PBI.

      To make it work, I simply had to replace a hi-SIO DOS version (BDOS.SYS = Bibo DOS, either XF551 or Happy/Speedy version) with a standard DOS (Atari DOS 2.5) version, since hi-SIO DOS versions almost never work with PBI/ECI.

      Fun fact: In the past I replaced many slow/standard DOS versions with hi-SIO DOS versions, so that they work with highspeed on my Speedy 1050 floppy drive. Nowadays I am doing the opposite, replacing many hi-SIO DOS versions with slow/standard ones, so that they work with PBI from my SUB cart...
    6.  
      So does AVG/SUB automagically know when to use the SIO bus to load those titles which rely on custom SIO-only loaders (titles which I never once claimed worked with PBI/ECI-based ATR support, since it's self-evident that they won't)?
      • 26:
         
        CommentAuthorPeri Noid
      • CommentTime19 Jun 2025 16:06
       
      No. If you enable SIO transfer (plug the SIO cable in an AVG/SUB), ATRs are loaded with it. If YOU disconnect it, ECI/PBI/CAR transfer is used.
    7.  
      And if you have both SIO-cable and PBI/ECI cable connected then the SUB cart would not know what method to use. But you can configure in the setup (CAPS key) what loader method (SIO, PBI, high-speed SIO via alternative OS, highspeed SIO via PBI, etc.) you want to use.

      So, the SUB cart cannot automatically choose the correct loader method, it uses what is configured in the setup (and if this is wrong, it does not work). That's why I have created a folder named "SIO" on my SUB cart and placed several programs into this folder, where I know for sure that they will not work with PBI. (Of course this SIO folder is still very small, since I have not tested all of the many thousand programs I have on the SD-card; most programs that load via DOS can be made to work with PBI/ECI if you simply use a normal/slow DOS version without any highspeed SIO drivers.)
    8.  
      Might be a good idea to provide some kind of metadata tag in the filename to allow automatic selection of the most optimal loading method, then, once it's known. Similar to the [BASIC] tag in the SIDE Loaders which allows an executable to specify that internal BASIC should be enabled prior to loading.
      • 29: CommentAuthorwoj76
      • CommentTime25 Jun 2025 15:06 (6 dni temu)
       
      Jon, I think the newer Beta firmware for AVG and SUB does have that tagging feature, at least I remember tmp mentioning this in either of the threads on AA.
      • 30: CommentAuthorflashjazzcat
      • CommentTime27 Jun 2025 10:06 (4 dni temu)
       
      That makes sense. Most SIDE3 firmware features eventually show up. :)