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    • 1: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime22 May 2021
    • 2: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime23 May 2021 zmieniony
    Something more annoying:

    • 3:
    • CommentTime23 May 2021
    Not bad! However, "Do you get it" is better.
    • 4: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime23 May 2021 zmieniony

    It's better because it uses something special.
    It's tricky to add... so let's see, if I get the mood to do the additions in the shorty as well :)

    But , actually, I miss the ponderings about the 15kHz having such a nice notation correctness. ;)
    • 5: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime27 Jun 2021
    How about this one?
    • 6: CommentAuthorrosomak
    • CommentTime29 Jun 2021
    Jakieś komentarze Panowie
    • 7:
    • CommentTime29 Jun 2021
    Ja się powstrzymam ;)
    • 8: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime29 Jun 2021
    Do you have a better rendition ? ;)
    • 9: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime20 Jul 2021
    Thanks for the answer.
    You cannot do a better rendition, even using SID won't get better.
    That's the point.
    • 10: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime20 Jul 2021 zmieniony
    Seems, Music isn't wanted with POKEY.

    This tune is already 3 months old, even Amiga Users like it.
    It's now having 3 likes...

    Really, guys, get sure about your taste in music ;)
    • 11:
    • CommentTime21 Jul 2021
    I'm not a musician, so it's easier for me to judge :D. I like it or not. This time I like it :D
    • 12: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime22 Jul 2021
    That's the point.
    Music is not what you create. It's what other people like.
    • 13: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime25 May 2022
    Seems there is one thing POKEY can DO, SID is simply not capable of.

    It's that "endless channels sound".

    Controlled phasing:

    • 14: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime31 Jul 2022 zmieniony
    Well, today I'm p-ss-d ...

    I'm searching for a chip rendition of the song "dance monkey".
    .... I'd like to do a chippy version for POKEY.
    where to find it?
    Just put a "sid" to the search.
    Sorry guys. But the main power of SID is that a lot of capable musicians do the right stuff...
    What's even more disappointing: It is done in Deflemask.... A Tracker that is supporting all chips ecxept POKEY....

    Grabbing some cool notations and put the best what pokey can do could be so easy....
    • 15: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime1 Aug 2022
    Sometimes I wished, I was a professional musician, having the time to do those tunes...

    This sounds so "Pokey" already....

    • 16: CommentAuthorCyprian
    • CommentTime1 Aug 2022
    Sounds different than Pokey to me. A distinctive feature of Pokey is that it sounds more metallic and slightly out of tune.
    • 17: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime1 Aug 2022
    Detuning is a common thing in those old chips.
    • 18: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime3 Aug 2022 zmieniony
    Like it or not.
    It's 4 channels....
    The only limits were about real tracker commands missing and some volume control for pulse density corrections...
    It's not a hardware fault ;)

    As those tunes come from "Amiga MOD"s , I have to use POKEY's features to resemble the "samples", to get a working tune ;)
    You might know that "samples" can play several instruments at once.
    • 19: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime5 Aug 2022
    POKEY can sound so emotional :D

    • 20: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime20 Aug 2022
    What's really missing is some software that allow real musical commands.

    • 21: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime23 Aug 2022
    Still some timing issues, as the Synth sounds a bit louder in RMT.

    • 22: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime23 Aug 2022
    If only this timing probs would get solved...

    Altirra tends to cancel sounds more than in RMT, but it is the same emulation....
    • 23: CommentAuthorRocky
    • CommentTime24 Aug 2022
    There is an interesting sounds from POKEY..

    Do You try playing 4 x 16bit connected chanels (2 POKEYs)?
    • 24: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime30 Aug 2022 zmieniony
    For me 1 POKEY at minimal CPU usage is still the limit.
    Mastering POKEY doesn't mean to have as much POKEYS as you wish.
    The Atari has ONE Pokey and this should be the standard for every tune. No problem for me, if some tune is doing stereo FX ... THEN.
    I saw the results at SV 2022, and I'm still not happy that people get better votes if they only use half of the possibilities.
    Really... There has been a tune taking part, but only got placed behind all those cheaters.

    Back to the real thing.
    I really like the 4 channels, as in RMT the notes have been corrected, musically playaround still gives nice results.

    You know this tune?
    It's 4 channels. And it uses speech samples. So I did some speech imitation and some mixing of special fx into the tune.

    • 25: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime4 Sep 2022
    Not bad for a soundchip that was 3 years before SID ;)

    And it's still not the upper limits...

    • 26: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime9 Sep 2022
    Is someone able to put this 4 channel tune to SID?

    • 27: CommentAuthormav
    • CommentTime9 Sep 2022
    I like sound from music in #25 , melody isn't bad either. All other stuff isn't for me at all.
    • 28:
    • CommentTime9 Sep 2022 zmieniony
    Someone has already done this with good results:

    • 29: CommentAuthorGonzo
    • CommentTime9 Sep 2022
    XLent - poproszę o dodatkowe info, bo chyba to jest nie fair. to co tu widać to raczej nie jest pokey, hmm...
    • 30: CommentAuthormav
    • CommentTime10 Sep 2022
    Gonzo - to SID :) odpowiedź do posta #26 emkaya
    • 31: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime10 Sep 2022
    I know the SID version.
    It's stiff, muffled, senseless and, sometimes I ask myself, why the detuning in SIDs is "allowed" and in POKEY tunes it isn't ? ;)
    3 channels isn't enough for this type of music.
    • 32:
    • CommentTime10 Sep 2022
    ...why the detuning in SIDs is "allowed" and in POKEY tunes it isn't ?
    I allow :)

    3 channels isn't enough for this type of music.
    What type of music is it? What do you mean when you write that a certain type of music requires 4 channels and another, for example 8?

    For me number of channels does not matter. A good musician will make music on two channels (Martin Iveson in Wolfchild game), a poor musician will lack 16.
    Adam Gilmore created on '3 channels' and these are some of the best music on Atari :)
    • 33: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime10 Sep 2022

    Musical taste, ok.
    But a lot SID tunes sound more like music, if they were just ported to the NES chip.
    • 34: CommentAuthorCyprian
    • CommentTime11 Sep 2022 zmieniony
    Really nice YM2149f cover by POKEY:
    The main difference we can hear is 'metallic' bass (with no low bass tones :) ) and a main voice a bit out of tune (due to low 8bit POKEY resolution vs 12bit YM) especially in a high registers. Anyway it sounds also good, would be cool to hear more YM covers.

    the original YM2149f version:
    • 35: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime11 Sep 2022
    The POKEY Version uses vibratos where it should use tremolo.
    The YM uses digi drums.
    The patches in RMT allows now to use similar resources than in the ST.
    We need some YM to RMT converter ;)
    • 36: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime11 Sep 2022
    4 channels still have their benefit.

    I hope that this Timing problem in RMT will be solved sometimes...
    Development of sounds will be much easier then.

    On the main voice.... portamento, vibrato, morphing...

    • 37:
    • CommentTime12 Sep 2022 zmieniony
    Wierz mi, że mogło być gorzej niż jest. Transponowałem to we wszystkie strony, aby jak najmniej dźwięków 'detunowało' i stwierdziłem, że to najlepsza wersja.
    Jak trafię na jakiś kawałek, który tak mi się 'wbije' w uszy jak "Sharpness Buzztone", to kto wie, może jeszcze jakiś cover się zrobi.
    Niemniej dzięki :)

    This was done 'by ear' and no converters are needed :)
    • 38: CommentAuthorCyprian
    • CommentTime12 Sep 2022
    Bardzo lubię brzmienie YM2149f i POKEYa. To że ten drugi nie stroi czy bas brzmi metalicznie to nie wada a cecha/wyróżnik.
    Tak więc dawaj więcej kowerów YM na POKEYu. Wyszło to naprawdę fajnie.
    • 39: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime12 Sep 2022

    The point is the combination of the resulting tune and the optimized sounds, POKEY can do.

    • 40: CommentAuthormono
    • CommentTime12 Sep 2022
    Very nice song. Thanks.
    • 41:
    • CommentTime12 Sep 2022 zmieniony
    What POKEY can do we don't fully know, and we may never know because life is too short :)

    You get extra points for Logical :)
    I love this game and music.

    If I had to complain about something, 'arpegio' is too loud and drowns out rest a bit, and should have a bigger VSlide (it should mute faster).
    I also once did a covers of complete Logical soundtrack :)
    • 42: CommentAuthorCuzz
    • CommentTime14 Sep 2022
    Skonstruowałem nowe GTIA i POKEY, gra nieźle. Mam pytanie, jak naprawić klawisze w atarynce, bo mi nie działa select i option.
    • 43: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime14 Sep 2022
    Sometimes I'm reacting to some special vids on YT.
    So yesterday I had to do this one ;)

    It's an "older friend" adding the tuning possibilities in RMT 1.31

    "Wood instrument like" sound might fit good to this one imho :)
    • 44: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime2 Nov 2022
    How to beat this with SID?

    • 45: CommentAuthorCyprian
    • CommentTime2 Nov 2022
    what exactly do you mean?
    • 46: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime2 Nov 2022

    The "relaxed" sound style in a 4 channel tune with a lot filter manipulation? Keeping the fresh melodic part?
    • 47: CommentAuthorCyprian
    • CommentTime2 Nov 2022
    Are you aware there is no any filter in the POKEY?
    And the SID has it built in natively?

    What you called a 'filter' is actually a 'pulse width duty', that's a different thing. It can be emulated by the CPU on the POKEY's square wave, and is built natively into the SID silicon.
    • 48: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime2 Nov 2022
    There is nothing emulated by the CPU in my tune.
    • 49: CommentAuthorCyprian
    • CommentTime2 Nov 2022 zmieniony
    Ok, you can use two POKEY channels to do that pwm but still - it is a different thing than filters. Both are built in SID and sounds better on it.
    • 50: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime2 Nov 2022
    Nontheless. It's a filter using tune and it keeps 4 channels.
    If SID filters sound better, is a matter of taste.
    I doubt, SID can do the nuances that POKEY is producing here.